Vegeta Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 he got ranked 13th or so at the end of the season... ( may) played no games of any format like the rest of the draft class since then, and jumped into the top 5... the question is.. why 3 minutes ago, djb738 said: I’m really confused when you keep saying without playing a single game because it looks like he played quite a few games this past season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphdog Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 It's funny to me too...I remember the first time I heard the suggestion that the habs could grab kokoniemi(whatever his name is) as early as 3rd was on the radio about three weeks ago. It was a clip of Craig Button making the argument that he was a top five pick. Since then everywhere I look he has been pushed up the board. Does the former GM have that much pull in popular opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 wonder if theres is some sort of collusion between scouts to push names that arnt on their list its interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb738 Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Vegeta said: he got ranked 13th or so at the end of the season... ( may) played no games of any format like the rest of the draft class since then, and jumped into the top 5... the question is.. why From what I have read, he really impressed at the WJC which really helped push up his value. The other perception is that he was a 17 year old playing against grown men and still produced 25+ points in 50+ games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipper Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, Ralphdog said: It's funny to me too...I remember the first time I heard the suggestion that the habs could grab kokoniemi(whatever his name is) as early as 3rd was on the radio about three weeks ago. It was a clip of Craig Button making the argument that he was a top five pick. Since then everywhere I look he has been pushed up the board. Does the former GM have that much pull in popular opinion? I don't think he has influence, I think he's relaying to the public what he's hearing from scouts and GMs around the league. I'd think rankings are adjusted because teams are looking at game tape. Season is over so GMs and scouts have time to focus their attention, have debates and fine tune their lists. Edited June 20, 2018 by Zipper14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawlesscdizzle Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Its also worth mentioning other players have moved up and down draft boards as well........ also not having played many/any additional games so its not him in a vacuum. he happens to be one of the biggest risers though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainman Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) I think Veleno might be the sleeper in this draft. I think I posted earlier that I thought Montreal might take him but I don't think that they are in a position to gamble. The fans would go nuts on him. He is that big center that they need . And he's born in Montreal. The question is does Montreal have the balls to go off the grid? Edited June 19, 2018 by The Rainman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byz Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 I actually agree with Vegeta in that Boqvist is highly likely to drop. I've watched highlights of all the top guys (scientific, I know), but then the Athletic came out with an article talking about the boom/bust riskiness of Boqvist. The one that got me was this (I think you guys will be able to see this without a subscription): He's #16 there, starting in the right wing position of the clip. I'm not about to crucify a guy based on one clip - and to be clear, his offensive ability is jaw-dropping - but I could see this scaring a lot of NHL GMs off. Oilers are rumoured to be taking Ty Smith at #10; I think that'd be the really safe pick compared to Bo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 14 hours ago, Vegeta said: then how do you explain kotkaniemi jump from 13 to 5th without playing a single game ? what was he an easy going dude at the combine and wore nice shoes ? Didn't Kotkaniemi perform pretty well with the aerobic fitness tests at the Combine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 9 hours ago, byz said: I actually agree with Vegeta in that Boqvist is highly likely to drop. I've watched highlights of all the top guys (scientific, I know), but then the Athletic came out with an article talking about the boom/bust riskiness of Boqvist. He's almost a year younger than other draft-eligible prospects. That's huge. I think concussions are a concern. Hasn't he had two already? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb738 Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Does this thread blow up tomorrow when Montreal picks Kotkaniemi and Vegeta loses his mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 I have an anniversary dinner with the girlfriend tomorrow, so I'll be turning off my phone and watching the first round tomorrow morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegDunlop Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, djb738 said: Does this thread blow up tomorrow when Montreal picks Kotkaniemi and Vegeta loses his mind? I don't know, but I do know that Veg will not be the only one to lose his mind if the Habs draft Kotkaniemi. Drafting to meet current needs has never made sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Wait when does the sabres pick wht time? Wasnt it 7PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, djb738 said: Does this thread blow up tomorrow when Montreal picks Kotkaniemi and Vegeta loses his mind? If they do it with the 3rd pick ill be pissed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Montreal would be in a sweet spot to start the rebuild tommorow if they somehow moved weber patches and price for draft picks and prospect then id be happy with kotkaniemi he would fit well in the rebuild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 But i prefer kotkaniemi over tkachuk in any case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill0755 Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, Vegeta said: Montreal would be in a sweet spot to start the rebuild tommorow if they somehow moved weber patches and price for draft picks and prospect then id be happy with kotkaniemi he would fit well in the rebuild Good of luck in finding any takers on the Weber contract, and not sure what teams would be willing to trade for the Price contract. Tough contracts too move that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, bill0755 said: Good of luck in finding any takers on the Weber contract, and not sure what teams would be willing to trade for the Price contract. Tough contracts too move that's for sure. Agreed , but weber contract is gold starting now for cap floor teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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