Vegeta Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 Just now, djb738 said: Hurricanes made $109M in revenue in 2017-2018 and that was with no playoffs. Exactly and that statement from Waddell made it sound like they have already made up their mind. makes no sense to not match, but why offersheet someone if you dont have a chance to get him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb738 Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 But if they are referring to $21M of just tickets that doesn't include media, merchandise, and other revenue streams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, djb738 said: But if they are referring to $21M of just tickets that doesn't include media, merchandise, and other revenue streams. yeah thats it, I think a trade can be made within 7days right? between montreal and carolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb738 Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 Just now, Vegeta said: makes no sense to not match, but why offersheet someone if you dont have a chance to get him Good question but I think they made it very clear from the beginning they would match any offer and it's not like they are in salary cap trouble and can't match it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 Just now, djb738 said: Good question but I think they made it very clear from the beginning they would match any offer and it's not like they are in salary cap trouble and can't match it. still think the issue is the actual bucket of money, not the aav, if montreal thinks carolina are cheapos i mean thats the only angle that make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 yeah bergevin is saying it right now. the aav doesnt matter its only a Money move, they beleive carolina cant poney up, why not big buisness move XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festivus Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 i say they match 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festivus Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 and wait the full week of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Festivus said: and wait the full week of course what a pain that week is going to be for montreal only to find out we got nothing LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb738 Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 I agree Festivus and it really puts Montreal in a tough situation as all of these Players are signing and they can’t sign anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb738 Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, Vegeta said: yeah bergevin is saying it right now. the aav doesnt matter its only a Money move, they beleive carolina cant poney up, why not big buisness move XD That’s an interesting assumption that Carolina can’t pony up. I would say maybe in the past that would be the case but I think it is a different situation with Dundon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festivus Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 Two hours to go on TSN Free Agent Frenzy. But you can bank that nothing else happens today. Time for that Canada Day Bud Light, enjoy boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb738 Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 Bergevin is funny saying that Aho wants to be in Montreal. He may but part of me thinks Aho signed it because the Canes weren’t offering the salary he wanted and this got him there and he also preferred a 5 year deal to a 7/8 year deal. Also, this sets up Aho nicely with a potential lockout coming up because I believe he would still receive bonus money during the lockout just not salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festivus Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 And another thing... Does Craig Button pick out his own wardrobe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, djb738 said: Bergevin is funny saying that Aho wants to be in Montreal. He may but part of me thinks Aho signed it because the Canes weren’t offering the salary he wanted and this got him there and he also preferred a 5 year deal to a 7/8 year deal. Also, this sets up Aho nicely with a potential lockout coming up because I believe he would still receive bonus money during the lockout just not salary. the question is do you want anderslee at 9m ? or gardiner at 7.5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphdog Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, djb738 said: Bergevin is funny saying that Aho wants to be in Montreal. He may but part of me thinks Aho signed it because the Canes weren’t offering the salary he wanted and this got him there and he also preferred a 5 year deal to a 7/8 year deal. Also, this sets up Aho nicely with a potential lockout coming up because I believe he would still receive bonus money during the lockout just not salary. I agree. My feeling is that this offer was too light on compensation to really have a chance. It feels like Bergevin is preparing his alibi for any questions about Montreal's inability to land any difference makers in the free agent sweepstakes this year......"Hey look, we really tried hard...". I say they could've tried harder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festivus Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ralphdog said: I agree. My feeling is that this offer was too light on compensation to really have a chance. It feels like Bergevin is preparing his alibi for any questions about Montreal's inability to land any difference makers in the free agent sweepstakes this year......"Hey look, we really tried hard...". I say they could've tried harder But, is Button choosing his own clothes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raken65 Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 Just now, Ralphdog said: I agree. My feeling is that this offer was too light on compensation to really have a chance. It feels like Bergevin is preparing his alibi for any questions about Montreal's inability to land any difference makers in the free agent sweepstakes this year......"Hey look, we really tried hard...". I say they could've tried harder Disagree 100 %, what did you want them to do differently? And yeah Carolina probably matches but the fact an offer sheet was laid out is ballsy and shows we're trying. As far as Bergevin saying Aho wants to be here, of course he's going to say that it's business,the same way Waddell said he was surprised the offer wasn't more. Fact is the Canes have to pay 21.5 in the next month. We all bitch the NHL is not like the NBA and too conservative, well Bergevin just went all in and win or lose he made a statement period 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festivus Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 And i would say he would want to be there. A whole lot of Fins to hang with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb738 Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Raken65 said: Disagree 100 %, what did you want them to do differently? And yeah Carolina probably matches but the fact an offer sheet was laid out is ballsy and shows we're trying. As far as Bergevin saying Aho wants to be here, of course he's going to say that it's business,the same way Waddell said he was surprised the offer wasn't more. Fact is the Canes have to pay 21.5 in the next month. We all bitch the NHL is not like the NBA and too conservative, well Bergevin just went all in and win or lose he made a statement period I just think if they were really trying they would have come in with a stronger offer. It looks like they came in at the max amount of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd compensation but didn’t want to go to the next level. Do they have to pay out the $21M in the next month? I thought it was just over the next year and the first year was like $11M. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphdog Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) Their offer came 400k under the next compensation level bracket and their was still another level up to the max bid. I like the offer sheet but it feels like in reality, there is not a 1% chance that it doesn't get matched. And if that is in fact the case, then what was it all for then. I say PR. Edited July 1, 2019 by Ralphdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 Must have the inside scoop that dondon doesnt want to poney up the money. Its a good try that wont wotk but a good try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raken65 Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 Do they have to pay out the $21M in the next month? I thought it was just over the next year and the first year was like $11M. They have to match the exact offer in the next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb738 Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, Raken65 said: Do they have to pay out the $21M in the next month? I thought it was just over the next year and the first year was like $11M. They have to match the exact offer in the next week. I agree there but the exact offer wasn’t paying him $21M next month I don’t believe. It was something like $700K salary year one with a $11M signing bonus then year 2 was similar salary and slightly less signing bonus but all of that equalling out to $21M in signing bonuses had to be paid out in the next calendar year (12 months). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 5 days from now. And on july 1st 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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