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  1. Matthews $15Mill AAV

    in NHL News & Rumors

    Posted · Edited by leevaughn

    Every GM, every Coach, every player even McDavid himself (unless he is a complete narcissist) will tell you they would rather have a cup than 150 point player.

    To not account for leadership and winning in the best player argument is like is not judging the sauce of the best poutine.

    You Sir, are contrary with no validity.

  3. Matthews $15Mill AAV

    in NHL News & Rumors

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    1 hour ago, Ralphdog said:

    In my mind, when discussing the best players in a team sport, the hardware and championships are extras. The best players are the ones that can do things at a level that others simply cannot.  To say McDavid isn't in the top 3 players in the league is blasphemous to the point of absurdity.  That guy is a human highlight reel. No other player in the league today can consistently undress the opposition on the regular and score or dish the way he does it. The NHL hasn't seen that type of player since Jagr, and before that Lemieux. 

     

    As for the argument that you need championships to be seen as the best, I would agree if we were talking about tennis or golf. Not in a team sport. There are too many other factors that go into winning a cup, including the 22 other player's on the team and their individual capabilities. By that logic, had Ray Bourque not hung on long enough to win a cup he couldn't be in the conversation as one of the greatest dmen of all time. And Marcel Dionne shouldn't be considered among the best of his time. 

     

    If the argument is that McDavid is not one of the top three players today, but he could be in June doesn't make sense to me. My two cents.

     

    I have never said any of these guys are bad player and not to be considered the best in the game. Not once. Not ever even implied it.  What I am saying is that Nathan Mackinnon has shown a skill set that none of the others has shown. His dismissal to 4th best is to be reconsidered because he has lead his team to the pinnacle of the sport. 

     

    Dougall said "The fact remains that he is a top 3 player in the league (McDavid & Draisaitl the other two...yes all three are better than MacKinnon who is 4th) and you cannot look at old contracts as comparable, as they are dated. It will happen."

     

    Team play and leadership are skills in a team sport.   Extremely important ones when the team has to be better than every other team. Leadership on and off the ice. Many of the players on that Avalanche team have never played better hockey before. Leadership plays a huge role in that.  

     

    Tage Thompson is lighting it up but the small sample size does not make a great, even though he is out preforming all 4 of those guys. 

    Kaprizov could be in the conversation couldn't he? He has no Draisaitl or Marner or Nylander or RNH or Landeskog and Rantanen or Makar or .....  his guy is 36 year old Zuccarello who is having his best season to date. Why is he not in the conversation? Sample size?

     

    So sample size it is. My sample size has 1 of those 4 players winning the cup while playing elite top of the league hockey while the others haven't. 

     

    That is why Mackinnon is currently #1 and should be on any list of who is the best right now.

     

     

  4. Matthews $15Mill AAV

    in NHL News & Rumors

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    1 minute ago, Dougall said:

     

    That's pretty strong Leafs hate IMO. You mention intangibles and other skills and then dismiss Matthews because he isn't leading in points. He plays a full ice game and backchecks hard. I see it every day living in the Toronto bubble that he is a strong leader and does all of the extras in all three zones. Winning one cup does not make you better.

    I believe you. 

    I'm not saying Matthews isn't one of the best players in the league.  I'm saying a player needs the points and  the intangibles. 

    Mackinnon has proven it by leading his team to a cup. The other three have not. That makes him the better player. The ability to lead your team to the win using all aspects of the game . That is what makes a guy the best player in the league. 

    The playoffs and the Cup should not be dismissed when ranking a player. 

    The bias is in ranking McDavid and Draisaitl 1 and 2 when they are losing. (it's the coaching, it's the defense. it's the injuries, it's the goaltending) al the excuses in the world for years. At what point do we take a look at these two and realize they might not have what it takes to lead or play the team game. (yet?)

    At this point it's fair to say Matthews is the better player because he's leading Toronto into the win column night in and night out.

    Winning is what they are paid to do...... in a team environment. That's what makes a player the best.

     

    When and if they win a cup the discussion changes. My Toronto Bias had me picking them as one of my favorite's to win the cups this year . Do not mistake my ability to think logically even though Toronto sucks hahaha

  5. Matthews $15Mill AAV

    in NHL News & Rumors

    Posted

    3 hours ago, Dougall said:

    Not 100%. No one has also said McDavid is the greatest yet.

     

    I’m saying that Matthews, McDavid and Draisaitl are the best three players in the league right now. Talent wise, no one is better…cups don’t rank your skill in a team game. I’d also say regardless of position but I’ll listen to Shesterkin or Vaselevsky arguments, but still disagree. MacKinnon, Makar and Josi are ridiculously good as well, but again lesser than the three I mentioned.

    I'm saying it's intangibles that make you a top player. (These are skills) The Next gear. Defense. Leadership. The Sheer will to win. The Claude Lemieux effect. The ability to "show up"  when it counts.

    MacKinnon has it.  That's why he can't be ranked 4th because his talents surpass putting the puck in the net.  

     

    Tage Thompson is out-scoring Draisaitl and Matthews by a good shot. Why isn't he on the list . In fact in the last 29 games the kid has 52 points and Connor Mcdavid has 53.

    Draisaitl has 44 and Matthew has 37. Night in and night out a 36 year old Sidney Crosby leaves more on the ice than any of these guys.  They are top talent in the league. The big draw at the ticket booth. I don't think they can be called 1 2 3  until they have a cup.  I don't think Matthews has ever been top 5 in points. He's one of the best goal scorers out there but perhaps it's the rest of his game that's lacking.

    I here a lot of fans complain about McDavid cherry picking a lot. Fuckin hate guys that Cherry Pick.. Where's the Defense? Put up all the goals you want but if your leaving the boys in the zone out to dry on the back check then a huge aspect of your game is missing.  I have no complaints about Draisaitl, love the guy.

    Where's Kucherov? Multi Cup Winner)  He is definitely in this conversation. Jason Robertson is another that gets the nod here. 

    I don''t say this with the bias of a habs fan , there are a few guys I would rather see leading my team than Matthews that haven't been mentioned here. 

     

  7. Matthews $15Mill AAV

    in NHL News & Rumors

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Raken65 said:

    So Rick Chartraw with his 4 Stanley Cups is a greater player than McDavid?

     

    I get the Cup thing but not winning a Cup doesn't take away from the greatness of a player.

    Where in my statement did you pick up that nonsense? 

    We're talking elite players. 

  8. Matthews $15Mill AAV

    in NHL News & Rumors

    Posted

    On 1/4/2023 at 11:33 AM, Dougall said:

    The fact remains that he is a top 3 player in the league (McDavid & Draisaitl the other two...yes all three are better than MacKinnon who is 4th) and you cannot look at old contracts as comparable, as they are dated. It will happen.

    Except there is only 1 cup winner in your group. A team sport and only 1 has gotten to the pinnacle . Leading his team the whole way.

    It's really hard for me to agree he's #4 . It's hard for me to agree that McDavid is one of the greatest ever .. for all his points, flash and pizazz there is no cup.

    Cups make you the best.

    Rings make Jordan the GOAT over Bronny and Kobe,  

     

  11. Not a stretch of an opinion

    in NHL News & Rumors

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    7 hours ago, weeoiler said:

    If you fellers watched every minute of every Oilers game, you would not be saying that. In fact, you would hate yourself for even thinking that. Don't get me wrong, I love Leon, but I have him grouped in with with dudes like Mackinnon, Makar, Barkov, Matthews.  Connor is in a league of his own, for many reasons.

    I'll take it from an expert

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  21. Fantasy First Hockey Podcast

    in The Peanut Gallery

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    2 hours ago, Ralphdog said:

    You know the media has to make something outta nothingxD

    I'm with you man. I boldly predicted 75 from him this year so I'm rooting for him! 

    Rooting for a Leaf .. the only times you can justifiably root for a leaf are listed below...

    #1 The person rooting for a Leaf or the Leafs lives in the GTA 

    #2 They are playing Boston

    #3 They are the only Canadian Team left in contention for the Cup

    #4 The person rooting for a Leaf or the Leafs are diagnosable with some kind of extremely rare impediment 

    #5 The person rooting for a Leaf or the Leafs has forgotten the Rouge part of Bleu, Blanc et Rouge and has made a mistake

    #6 Go Habs Go!

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