Thunder Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 Pretty sure that was my fault. When I heard Lee, I was like « that sounds like something I’ve done before » Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 I don't doubt that it's happened multiple times. That particular time was BIH and Slough Shark in the WCFL, but yeah I'll bet it's happened before. The Executive Committee was actually created after some nastiness went down when I unilaterally vetoed a rental-type trade (I believe Josh Harding was involved?). I hated making the decision on my own, so I pulled the committee together the next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphdog Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 I thought it was Conn Smythe who first said " if you aint cheating, you aint trying" but the Google machine seems to think it was Joe Montana among a plethora of others. No sign of Smythe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Music Man Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 I binged listened all day today. ❤️ 'd it Lance !!!! Ralpghdog is in the house 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeoiler Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 Might have been Joe Montegna 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeoiler Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 From The Waterboy. No? The two rube fans confuse Joe Montana and Joe Montegna. Nothing?? Oh, I need a drink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphdog Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 Just now, weeoiler said: From The Waterboy. No? The two rube fans confuse Joe Montana and Joe Montegna. Nothing?? Oh, I need a drink. ahhh yes, had to google it. My recall isn't what it never was. I award you 2 points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leevaughn Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 14 hours ago, James said: Also lee gets an extra 5 mil in cap space for saying nice things about me. I told you he knows what he's doing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leevaughn Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 14 hours ago, James said: Oh wait, I stand entirely corrected. Did a little research into this... the Executive Committee discussed it extensively back in April 2019, and the outcome was the creation of Appendix G of the rulebook. "Additionally, a trade that the Committee feels violates any of the following specific rules may be sent to arbitration or even rejected outright (this list will be added to as situations arise, and is not in any way exhaustive): Player Loans – A player (or draft pick) cannot be traded to a team with the expressed intention of being traded back following the completion of the season (or at some other predetermined date). Cap space can be loaned in this manner if a circumstance permits it. " So was my offer valid or invalid? I feel as long as it is open to the committee .. clarified and defined it shouldn't be a problem. I fully believe an NHL GM could make a trade like this if integrity had a play. I am also unaware of the stipulations of NHL trades. I honestly think that was a fair deal for a Capwise GM that I know loves his player, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Music Man Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 When I heard the show and trade offer I thought a lot about it. Is it fair, ya, sure, maybe. Is it "OUT SIDE THE BOX" thinking? There's a fine line Lets not look at it from a rule stand point, lets look at it another way. The trade is a WIN/WIN for both GM's. But it has an adverse effect on other GM's. But with that said, if Ralphdog and I are in other leagues together what should or could stop us from making inter league trades together. He scratch's my back in one league I scratch his back in another. I certainly cant be the only GM to think of that angle. SOOOOOO here is my ruling. Regardless of the rules it would be an unwritten rule for me. I LOVE THE DEAL💘 yes it's valid, but it has too much stink on it. Sorry man, I just couldn't accept an offer like that. Music Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leevaughn Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 @Music ManI hear you. But the offer was picks for a player . Those picks were premium and the player was premium. It's a valid trade that no one would have a problem with. Me telling Dan I would take the same picks back and we would make public is almost like I stood up and pointed at the trade and screamed "look at this trade!! look how fair it is!". Giving @weeoilerthat option wasn't meant to be collusion as much as it was meant to be persuasive. The committee, the rulebook and the trading GM's all have a say when the caveats are on the table and not in the private messages. I'm not deflating footballs or greasing up baseballs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 There’s a difference between trading with the intention of trading back later (which is illegal), and trading with the option to trade back later. No doubt about that. But it’s pretty much impossible for anyone to confirm your intention. It’s all a very grey area. I wouldn’t advise anyone to make a trade with the assumption that you’ll be allowed to trade back later, because the committee is well within its rights to block that future trade. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leevaughn Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 hour ago, James said: There’s a difference between trading with the intention of trading back later (which is illegal), and trading with the option to trade back later. No doubt about that. But it’s pretty much impossible for anyone to confirm your intention. It’s all a very grey area. I wouldn’t advise anyone to make a trade with the assumption that you’ll be allowed to trade back later, because the committee is well within its rights to block that future trade. This is why we talk. To get to the bottom of the grey areas. well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festivus Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 Festivus has to tone down the potty mouth 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntz71 Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 I keep hearing “we will edit that”. Man, what kind of stuff hit the cutting room floor? lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festivus Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 Good stuff!! LoL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leevaughn Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 https://open.spotify.com/episode/1rZICST5mhyeGnQtxOdHsl?si=krWnV26wQuuXEGeZwWARkA&utm_source=copy-link The latest ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeoiler Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 Woah ... that was a gooood nap. What did I miss? I thought that @leevaughn offer for Connor was certainly a good one, but not one that I seriously entertained, and I think that Lee knew that as well. The addition of the "and I'll give you the option of reversing the trade at the end of the year" part was more tongue-in-cheek than anything, because he knew there was no way I was gonna trade Connor, no matter what the offer was. I didn't take it as collusion or underhanded or anything like that, not even for a second ... just a GM trying to be creative in a deal that he knew deep down had almost no chance of being accepted. It was all in good fun, as Lee described on the podcast, not nefarious, but it would have been interesting to see what the Executive Committee would have done with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leevaughn Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 I don't do nefarious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphdog Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 You are only nefarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leevaughn Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 30 minutes ago, Ralphdog said: You are only nefarious your position is precarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 hours ago, leevaughn said: your position is precarious My brain can't handle this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 Who won the Mantha trade?!?!?! Is this a serious question? Haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmes131 Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 if u liked the savoie at 3 what did u think of the firkus at 12 and 13 and no later than 17?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 58 minutes ago, holmes131 said: if u liked the savoie at 3 what did u think of the firkus at 12 and 13 and no later than 17?? Good picks! No problem with those at all. I got Savoie at #5 in the ECFL and just wanted to switch it up so I took Kasper at #5 in the NAFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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